۞۞۞ الورشة التعليمية لموجات أيليوت ۞۞۞

[أبو عـمـر]

ماشاء الله تبارك الله...
عساك على القوة اخوي ابو عمر..
وأسال الله العظيم ان تكون هذه الورشة عملا صالح في ميزان حسناتك لاينقطع اجرة...
متابع معاك استاذي بحماس..
الله يوفقك بالشرح والله يعيننا على التركيز..

حياك الله اخوي HAWAWY
وجزاك الله
محتاجين تركيز بالدروس القادمة

القانون الثاني :

الموجة الثالثة يجب أن لاتكون الموجة الأقصر بين الموجة الأولى والخامسة
بمعنى أهم شي أنها ماتكون أقصر موجة يعني ممكن انها تكون الوسطى أو الكبرى ولايمكن بأي حال من الأحوال أنها تكون الأقصر
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يعني يا ابو عمر الموجه الثالثه ليست اقصر من الاولى والخامسه في نفس الموجه
ولكن ممكن تكون اقصر من الاولى ولكن في نفس الوقت تكون اطول من الخامسه
والعكس صحيح ممكن تكون اقصر من الخامسه ولكن في نفس الوقت تكون اطول من الاولى
او انها تكون اطول من الاولى والخامسه في نفس الوقت
صح كده يا ابو عمر ولالالالالالا
مع الشكر الجزيل

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كلامك سليم 100 %

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
ابداااع ماشاء الله
راح اكون متابع وتلميذ مشاغب
اذا تكرمت ابوعمر
اليس القناون الثالث يكون بهذه الصيغه ايضا
الموجه الرابعه لاتتداخل مع الموجه الثانيه ام ان هناك فرق
الشيء الثاني
انا الحمدلله متمكن من التحليل الكلاسيكي بدرجه كبيره
استطيع عمل وبناء الخبراء في الميتاستوك عشقي الاول ولكن ليس بدرجه كبيره قد اعطي نفسي 80% في بناء الخبير او المؤشر
من خلال تجربتي مع الكلاسيك واليوت
وجدت ان هناك دلائل يستطيع الاغلبيه الاستفاده باقتناص الموجات الذهبيه وهذه الدلائل هي مؤشرات الكل يتعامل معها
ولكن بالتدقيق فيها نجد اشياء عجيبه
سوف اقوم بطرحها مستقبلا في هذا الموضوع او موضوع مستقل
بالتوفيق لكم جميعا

ياهلا والله بأخي النظير
ويسعدني تواجدك معانا ولاتحرمنا من خبرتك في التحليل الكلاسيكي
بالنسبة للقانون الثالث التداخل ممنوع مع الموجة الاولى وليس الثانية

ياابو عمر هيا الى العملي..؟؟

أن شاء الله بس أن شاء الله يكون الجزء اللي طاف مفهوم

[أبو عـمـر]

ياهلا والله بالشباب نستأنف دروسنا
لقد تحدثنا بالدرس السابق عن الموجة الدافعة وقوانينها
سنتحدث بهذا الدرس عن الموجات القطرية وهي النوع الثاني من الموجات الحافزة

[أبو عـمـر]

الموجات القطرية
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الموجة القطرية هي عبارة موجات متداخلة مع بعض تأخذ الشكل القطري أو كما يسمى الاسفين
وبالتحليل الكلاسيكي نموذج الوتد
خطان يتلاقيان بنقطة واحدة
يوجد لدينا نوعان
النوع الاول

الموجة القطرية الامامية
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وهي تحدث بالموجة الأولى والموجة A فقط
وتركيبها الداخلي عبارة عن خمس موجات
الموجة الاولى والثالثة والخامسة موجاتها خماسية كما بالشكل المرفق

[شـقـران]

الله يعطيك العافيه وجعل عمرك طويل..
هل هي تفرق عن الموجه الحافز في التداخل فقط ولا فيه اختلافات اخرى..؟؟

[malek salem]

السلام عليكم ...المشكله انو ممكن عد الموجات باكثر من طريقه وبدون كسر قواعد اليوت .......الموجه الرقمه اعلاه 1 او C مالمانع من تعديل بعض الترقيمات الداخليه وبدون كسر قواعد اليوت وتسميتها 2 اؤ 4 او زجزاج او .........
الذي يحكم ذلك الموجات السابقه ...مهو كمان الموجات السابقه يمكن ترقيمها بطرق كثيره
هل يوجد ولو موجه واحده ليس لها الاترقيم وحيد .حتى لو برسم اليد

[أبو عـمـر]

الله يعطيك العافيه وجعل عمرك طويل..
هل هي تفرق عن الموجه الحافز في التداخل فقط ولا فيه اختلافات اخرى..؟؟

نعم التداخل بين الموجة الرابعة والاولى بالموجة القطرية ضرروي وتأخذ الشكل القطري

السلام عليكم ...المشكله انو ممكن عد الموجات باكثر من طريقه وبدون كسر قواعد اليوت .......الموجه الرقمه اعلاه 1 او C مالمانع من تعديل بعض الترقيمات الداخليه وبدون كسر قواعد اليوت وتسميتها 2 اؤ 4 او زجزاج او ........
الذي يحكم ذلك الموجات السابقه ...مهو كمان الموجات السابقه يمكن ترقيمها بطرق كثيره
هل يوجد ولو موجه واحده ليس لها الاترقيم وحيد .حتى لو برسم اليد

سنتعرف جميعا على القوانين والارشادات التي تساعدنا بالتفريق بين الموجات

[malek salem]

صباح الخير ...

اخي ابو عمر بما ان السوق بهذا الشكل : ما رايك ان نستغل الفرصه ونتابع الدروس.

هل صحيح انه يمكن التعرف على الموجه القطريه الاماميه من خلال التقاء الخطين بين1 3 و 2 4 .؟
هل هناك نسب ذهبيه لموجات القطريه الاماميه؟
هل يمكن ان يكون لها امتداد؟
هل يمكن ان تنقطع الخامسه فيها؟ وهل يكون ذلك اذا اكتمل عد الخامسه :يعني اذا عملت الخامسه
1 2 3 4 5 ولم تصل خط الترند

[أبو عـمـر]

صباح الخير ...

اخي ابو عمر بما ان السوق بهذا الشكل : ما رايك ان نستغل الفرصه ونتابع الدروس.

هل صحيح انه يمكن التعرف على الموجه القطريه الاماميه من خلال التقاء الخطين بين1 3 و 2 4 .؟
هل هناك نسب ذهبيه لموجات القطريه الاماميه؟
هل يمكن ان يكون لها امتداد؟
هل يمكن ان تنقطع الخامسه فيها؟ وهل يكون ذلك اذا اكتمل عد الخامسه :يعني اذا عملت الخامسه
1 2 3 4 5 ولم تصل خط الترند

هلا فيك اخوي مالك
خواص الموجة القطرية الامامية
التداخل بين الموجتين الرابعة والاولى
ان تكون التركيبة الداخلية للموجات خماسية الشكل
وان تاخذ الموجات الشكل القطري
لانة يوجد نوعان من الموجات القطرية
الموجة القطرية الامامية العادية
بحيث تكون الموجة الاولى هي الاطول
والنوع الثاني وهو ان الموجة الخامسة هي الاطول
ويسمي هذا النوع بالقطرية الممتدة

وعلى حسب خبرتي المحدودة بسوق العملات ان الانقطاع نادر الحدوث بسوق العملات

[أبو عـمـر]

القطرية الخلفية
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الموجة القطرية الخلفية تأتي بالموجة الخامسة والموجة c
وتركيبها الداخلي عبارة عن موجات تصحيحية وليست دافعة
والموجات التصحيحية من نوع
zigzag
التداخل ضروري بين الموجة الرابعة والموجة الاولى
وتقريبا نفس خواص الموجة القطرية الامامية ولكن الاختلاف فقط في نوع الموجات
القطرية الامامية موجاتها خماسية الشكل
القطرية الخلفية موجاتها ثلاثية الشكل
نلاحظ بالشكل المرفق
موجة قطرية خلفية حدثت بالموجة الخامسة




وايضا نلاحظ القطرية الخلفية حدثت بالموجة c

[أبو عـمـر]

في أسئلة وأجوبة من موقع ايليوت ويف عن الموجات القطرية
سأرفقها لكم بالمشاركة التالية

[أبو عـمـر]

Q: What are the thirteen Elliott wave patterns and where are they listed?
You mentioned that the diagonal triangle was one of the thirteen Elliott wave patterns. What are the names of those patterns and where can I find a list of all 13 patterns?
A. The thirteen basic wave patterns are as follows: impulse, ending diagonal, leading diagonal, single zigzag, double zigzag, triple zigzag, regular flat, expanded flat, running flat, contracting triangle, barrier triangle, expanding triangle and running triangle. You can find an illustration of this list on page 126 of the latest edition of Elliott Wave Principle.

Q: Why are some “triangles” labeled with letters and some with numbers?
Why are some triangles labeled as A-B-C-D-E, and others are labeled 1-2-3-4-5? Does it depend on the kind of triangle, or is it simply due to the triangle’s degree?
A. All corrective wave structures are labeled with letters. All triangles are corrective wave structures and are labeled A-B-C-D-E. The triangle’s function is called reactionary, when it appears as wave 4, wave B, wave D of another triangle, or wave X, because it interrupts the main trend at next higher degree by moving in the opposite direction of the wave of which it is a part. The triangle’s function is called actionary, when it appears as wave C or wave E of another triangle, or as the last structure of a combination, because it advances the cause of main trend at next higher degree by moving in the same direction as the wave of which it is a part.

All motive waves are labeled with numbers 1-2-3-4-5 and always have an actionary function, which means that they always advance the cause of main trend at next higher degree by moving in the same direction of the wave of which they are a part.

A diagonal triangle is a motive wave structure and therefore is labeled 1-2-3-4-5. In order to eliminate confusion, we have recently changed the name “diagonal triangle” to “diagonal.”

Q: Is it important to monitor wave five with respect to the diagonal’s trendlines?
Looking at the end of the diagonal's fifth wave in three different commodities on slides 50, 51 and 56, we can see wave 5 overshoot the lower trendline (slide 50), not reach the lower trendline (slide 51) and not even reach the upper trendline (slide 56), except for maybe a touch. Yet in all three instances there was a sharp reversal. Is it fair to conclude that where wave 5 ends relative to the trendlines is not very important to our analysis?
A. In an ending diagonal, it is important it monitor the progress of wave five versus the trendline that connects the termination points of waves one and three. More often than not, wave 5 will break that trendline. This is called a throw-over (or throw-under depending on the direction of the market). When it does break the trendline, there is typically a spike of relatively high volume. A throw-over accompanied by relatively high volume is strong evidence that the diagonal is ending.

Q: In percent, how many diagonals lead to a reversal back to the origin of the diagonal?
Based on your personal experience, what percentage of diagonals actually leads to a swift price reversal to or beyond the origin of the diagonal?
A. In my personal experience, a swift reversal back to or beyond the origin of the diagonal seems to occur about 90% of the time.

Q: In diagonals, when does volume begin to diminish?
You have stated in the presentation that as a guideline, volume tends to diminish as the diagonal triangle forms. On slide 38, it doesn't seem to be the case, since I see the volume start to diminish at the beginning of wave b. Could you please explain?
A. Exactly, volume "tends" to diminish as the diagonal triangle forms. On occasion though, volume may begin diminishing sooner than the formation of wave C, which is why it is a tendency or guideline and not a hard and fast rule. I apologize though if my example was confusing.

Q: In diagonals, is an overlapping wave 4 a rule or a guideline?
In the Q&A, you refer to wave 4 overlapping wave 1 as a rule with one known exception, and in the lesson, you mention that it’s a guideline. Could you please clarify?
A. We find that for commodities markets, it’s best to treat it as a guideline, and when trading other markets, it’s best to consider it a rule. Sorry for not making that distinction.

Q: In a diagonal, does wave 4 have to always overlap wave 1?
In a diagonal, does wave 4 have to always overlap wave 1, or can it just overlap wave 2?
A. As a rule in diagonals, wave 4 always ends within the price territory of wave 1, and never goes beyond the end of wave 2. Although we have discovered one diagonal where wave 4 did not overlap wave 1, i.e. DJIA daily chart in early 1978, you should still consider this a “rule” for counting waves within diagonals.

Q: In diagonals, can wave 3 ever be an impulse wave?
On slide 24, the third rule refers to wave 3 of a diagonal as an impulse wave as opposed to a zigzag. Is that correct?
A. On that slide, please ignore the word, impulse. In an ending diagonal, waves 1, 3 and 5 are always zigzags, while in leading diagonals, waves 1, 3 and 5 usually subdivide into zigzags but sometimes appear to be impulses.

Q: What if there are no converging trendlines, and wave 4 does not overlap wave 1?
If the structure does not adhere to the first two guidelines: converging trendlines and wave 4 ending in the price territory of wave 1, can it still be a diagonal or does that mean that it’s an impulse wave?
A. If there are no converging trendlines, and wave 4 does not end in the price territory of wave 1, the structure can still be a diagonal, as long as waves 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 are zigzags, and the structure adheres to the other rules.

Q: What are the key characteristics of leading and expanding diagonals?
What key characteristics separate leading and expanding diagonals from ending and contracting diagonals?
A. A leading diagonal always appears as wave 1 of an impulse wave or wave A of a zigzag. An ending diagonal always appears as wave 5 of an impulse wave or wave C of a zigzag or flat. Waves 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 of an ending diagonal, and waves 2 and 4 of a leading diagonal, always subdivide into zigzags. Waves 1, 3 and 5 of a leading diagonal usually subdivide into zigzags but sometimes appear to be impulses.

In an expanding diagonal, wave 3 is always longer than wave 1, wave 5 is always longer than wave 3, and wave 4 is always longer than wave 2. In a contracting diagonal, wave 3 is always shorter than wave 1, wave 4 is always shorter than wave 2, and wave 5 is always shorter than wave 3. In a leading diagonal and in an expanding diagonal, wave 5 always ends beyond the end of wave 3. In a contracting diagonal, wave 5 usually ends beyond the end of wave 3, and failure to do so is called a truncation.

In an expanding diagonal, wave 5 usually ends slightly before reaching a line that connects the ends of waves 1 and 3. In a contracting diagonal, wave 5 usually ends at or slightly beyond a line that connects the ends of waves 1 and 3, and ending beyond that line is called a throw-over/throw-under.
Q: What's the revised wave count on slide 16?
Given that the diagonal triangle failed, what was the revised wave count on slide 16?
A. Please see the attached chart for the revised wave count. The A-B-C was changed to a series of 1-2s.

Chart1



Q: On slides 5 and 6, what settings did you use for MACD?
On slides 5 and 6, what settings did you use for MACD?
A. The settings were a 12 period moving average based on price, 25 period moving average based on price, and 9 period moving average of the MACD.

Q: On slide 39, what’s the wave count for wave (B)?
On slide 39, what are the wave count structures within (B)? If (A) is three waves, and (C) is five waves, then (B) has to be a three wave structure, and I can't see it. Is (B) a 5-3-5 structure?
A. On slide 39, we can label wave (B) as a combination W-X-Y. Wave W is a zigzag, wave X is a zigzag with a running triangle for wave b circled, and Wave Y is a regular flat. See the attached chart.

Chart1



Q: Can a diagonal be extended?
Can a diagonal be extended? In other words, instead of comprising 5 waves, it unfolds as 9 waves?
A. We would not expect to find an extended diagonal. In other words, we would not expect to find a diagonal that was exceptionally large relative to the other actionary waves of the same degree within that same pattern.




Q: On slide 58, how did you construct the corrective price channel?
On slide 58, how did you construct the corrective price channel? On slide 48, you drew the upper trendline first. Did you do the same on slide 58?
A. In a zigzag (slide 48), you draw a line from the origin of wave A to the extreme of wave B and then draw a parallel line that includes the extreme of wave A. In a flat (slide 58), you draw a line from the origin of wave A to the extreme of wave two or four of wave C and then draw a parallel line that includes the extreme of wave A. The corrective price channel on slide 58 is incorrect, since it connects the origin of wave A to wave b of wave iii instead of touching the extreme of wave ii. I apologize for the confusion.




Q: Are there different types of price gaps?
With respect to price gaps on slide 51, are you referring to the distance between the close of one bar and the open of the next bar? If so, wouldn’t there be numerous price gaps on the chart and no gaps that were special?
A. There are two types of gaps, Hard and Soft. A Hard gap occurs when there is a visible space between the low of one bar and the high of the previous bar. A Soft gap occurs when today's range doesn't incorporate the previous day's close. On intraday and daily price charts, soft gaps can be numerous. So I tend to focus on soft gaps basis the weekly or monthly price charts.



Q: To target the next wave after a correction, do I use wave C or waves A through C?
With respect to projecting targets for the next wave on slide 36, you multiplied the length of wave C times 1.382, but on slide 39 you multiplied the length of waves A through C times 1.382. Which one is correct?
A. They’re both correct. Wave C times 1.382 provides an initial target, and waves A through C times 1.382 serves as a secondary target.




Q: What’s the difference between a triangle and a diagonal triangle?
What is the difference between an A-B-C-D-E triangle and a 1-2-3-4-5 diagonal triangle?
A. A triangle is a corrective wave structure that’s labeled A-B-C-D-E. The triangle’s function is usually reactionary. Reactionary means that it interrupts the main trend at next higher degree. A diagonal triangle is a motive wave structure that’s labeled 1-2-3-4-5. All motive waves have an actionary function, which means that they advance the cause of main trend by moving in the direction of the main trend at next higher degree. In order to eliminate confusion, we have recently changed the name “diagonal triangle” to “diagonal.”




Q: How does MACD confirm an expanding diagonal?
How does the MACD or MACD histogram confirm an expanding diagonal triangle? Are the characteristics the same as with the contracting variety?
A. Expanding diagonals are so rare that unfortunately we do not have enough data on the behavior of MACD during expanding diagonals in order to give you an accurate answer.




Q: Do diagonals prevent extensions?
After the diagonal failure on the slide 25, do you agree with the labeling I've done on the attached slide? If so, do you share my own perspective that diagonals, in some cases, work as "extension traps," meaning that they prevent extensions from occurring? Attachment
A. I do agree with the idea of an extension trap. However, my critique of your labeling is the proportion between waves four and two.




Q: What are the rules and guidelines for diagonals?
What are the rules and guidelines for diagonals?
A. In total, there are a number of rules and guidelines for diagonals. See pages 87 through 88 in Elliott Wave Principle. You can also click on the link below.

Diagonals

Q: Are there Fibonacci relationships between waves 1, 3 and 5 of a diagonal?
Is there a fixed Fibonacci ratio between waves 1, 3 and 5 in a diagonal triangle?
A. In a diagonal, wave 5 is often equal to .618 of the net distance traveled of waves 1 through 3. In the contracting variety, wave 3 may be equal to .618 the length of wave 1, and wave 5 may be equal to .618 the length of wave 3. In the expanding variety, wave 3 may be equal to 1.618 the length of wave 1, and wave 5 may be equal to 1.618 the length of wave 3.







Q: What do you mean by the MACD histogram indicator?
What do you mean by MACD histogram indicator? Is it simple MACD Indicator displayed as a histogram, or is it the difference between MACD and the MACD Signal Line?
A. It’s the difference between MACD and the MACD Signal Line.

Q: If a diagonal triangle “fails,” how do I project the next move?
Does the failure of a diagonal triangle imply that the wave count preceding the failure is incorrect? If so, can projection of the ensuing price move be made using motive wave multiples based on the revised wave count in addition to "the original size move, but in the opposite direction" method?
A. Yes, it does imply that the preceding wave count was incorrect. In terms of projecting the next move, you should rely on all of Elliott’s rules and guidelines in addition to anticipating a move that is at least equal to the length of the diagonal but travels in the same direction as the diagonal triangle

Q: Can a diagonal triangle occur anywhere?
Slides 35 to 37 of the British pound show a diagonal triangle that appears not to be at the end of an entire wave sequence. Rather, the diagonal triangle seems to be the whole move just by itself. So does this mean the diagonal triangle can occur anywhere? Alternatively can it occur as a corrective wave?
A. In the British Pound example, the diagonal triangle occurs in wave C of an A-B-C flat correction. Ending diagonal triangles occur in wave 5 of impulse waves or wave C of flats and zigzags. Leading diagonals occur in wave 1 of impulse waves or wave A of a zigzag.




Q: Does the converging triangle in MACD confirm the diagonal triangle?
Can a converging triangle of the MACD LINE serve as confirmation of the "price" diagonal triangle, or is the "price" diagonal triangle only confirmed by a converging triangle of the MACD HISTOGRAM? Also, can the MACD triangle form a diagonal triangle along with the "price" diagonal triangle?
A. The converging triangle evident in MACD serves as secondary confirmation only. More often than not, it does form in conjunction with a diagonal triangle formation. However, the diagonal triangle pattern is not dependent on the converging triangle formation that takes shape in MACD. The MACD can form a diagonal triangle.



Q: Why do diagonal triangles fail?
Why do diagonal triangles fail?
A. By failure, we mean that what originally appeared to have had all the characteristics of a diagonal triangle turned out to be a different structure that lead to a swift continuation of the main trend at next higher degree.

Q: Within a diagonal triangle, which waves are always zigzags?
Within a diagonal triangle, can wave 4 be a contracting triangle?
A. Waves 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 of an ending diagonal triangle, and waves 2 and 4 of a leading diagonal triangle, always subdivide into zigzags.





Q: Are expanding diagonal triangles rare?
I noticed that you do not discuss expanding diagonal triangles. Is that because they are rare, or because they are problematic, or both?
A. Expanding diagonal triangles are generally rare, therefore the discussion focuses on the contracting variety.

[malek salem]

ماذا بالنسبه للنسب الذهبيه؟

[malek salem]

هما النوعين موجات دافعه ؟ صح

[أبو عـمـر]

أن شاء الله سنحاول ترجمة الأسئلة والأجوبة جميعا واللي عندة خبرة كافية بالغلة الأنجليزية
يساعدنا بالترجمة ياشباب

[malek salem]

في الشارت الثاني الرفق اعلاه : الوضع الطبيعي اننا نتوقع انه مازال هناك نزول بسيط ويعتمد ذلك على الموجات الفرعيه للخامسه ؟