اين كان يضع وليام جان ستوب صفقاته و هل كان يضع استوب اصلا ام لا

[crownpearl77]

السلام عليكم يا شباب
اخوكم لسه جديد في الفوركس و محتاج مساعدة من الاخوة الخبراء في المنتدي
عندي سؤال واحد فقط
اين كان يضع وليام جان ستوب صفقاته و هل كان يضع استوب اصلا ام لا
برجاء يا اخواني فاخوكم جديد في الفوركس و محتاج مساعدة

[Fawzi Alhamed]

هههههههههه
يا رجل صل على الحبيب المصطفى محمد
انت يا اخي الكريم طرحت وجهة نظرك و مجهود تشكر عليه فلا تلتفت لما قيل
كل شخص حر يفتح صفقه ام لا هو يتحمل نتيجة قراره
بارك الله فيك على جهودك

[crownpearl77]

هههههههههه
يا رجل صل على الحبيب المصطفى محمد
انت يا اخي الكريم طرحت وجهة نظرك و مجهود تشكر عليه فلا تلتفت لما قيل
كل شخص حر يفتح صفقه ام لا هو يتحمل نتيجة قراره
بارك الله فيك على جهودك

اللهم صلي و سلم و بارك علي سيدنا محمد
بس صحيح انا بسال بجد لان هذه المعلومة لم اجدها في كتب جان و خطرت علي بالي دلوقتي
كيف كان جان يعتبر ان صفقته خسرت
من يعرف يجيبني لو سمحت

[medoram]

السلام عليكم يا شباب
اخوكم لسه جديد في الفوركس و محتاج مساعدة من الاخوة الخبراء في المنتدي
عندي سؤال واحد فقط
اين كان يضع وليام جان ستوب صفقاته و هل كان يضع استوب اصلا ام لا
برجاء يا اخواني فاخوكم جديد في الفوركس و محتاج مساعدة

هههههههههه
ساجيبك
اقصى ستوب كان 3 نقاط
____________________________
اذا كانت هذه هي القمه (1.4443) فتحليلك لم يفشل
ف 10 نقاط الى 20 نقطه لا تفرق ابدا بالنسبه لصفقه سوينجيه
و بالتوفيق

[Fawzi Alhamed]

اللهم صلي و سلم و بارك علي سيدنا محمد
بس صحيح انا بسال بجد لان هذه المعلومة لم اجدها في كتب جان و خطرت علي بالي دلوقتي
كيف كان جان يعتبر ان صفقته خسرت
من يعرف يجيبني لو سمحت

و الله أنا اتمنى أفهم طرق جان اللي راح يجنني
حسب ما فهمت إنه يتعامل مع السيكلك سميشن بس لا تسألني تطلع أيه
و حسب ما قرأت بأنه لا يعترف بشيء أسمه ستوب لوز و إنما عند تحديده مناطق تغيير المسار و ليست نقطه يدخل بعقود صغيره يبدأ بعدها لما يعكس معاه السعر يحدد مناطق دخول مظاعفات و إذا تحرك السعر معاه يبدأ يبحث عن مناطق دخول بعقود تتناقص
و الله أعلى و أعلم

[بن عبدالله]

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
النص علينا والترجمة عليكم واتمنى ان تجد غايتك
Rule 2 Use stop loss orders. Always protect a trade when you make it with a stop loss order 3 to 5 points away.

Stop loss orders are not 100 per cent guarantees of trading safety just as seat belts are not 100 per cent guarantees that one will not sustain injury in a road accident. This is hardly an argument against stop-loss orders or seat belts, however. The evidence supporting the use of both stop loss orders and seat belts is overwhelming!

Mr. Gann was adamant that stop-loss orders should be an integral part of a traders reason for taking a trade. He left no doubt about his views on this subject by saying:

I feel that I cannot repeat too many times the value of using stop loss orders because it is the only safety valve to protect the investor and trader. An investor or trader will place a stop loss order and one time out of ten the stop will be caught at the exact top or bottom. After this he always remembers this and says, "If I place a stop loss order, they will just go down and catch it, or just go up and catch it and then the market will go the other way." So he does not use the stop loss order the next time. The trader forgets the nine times out of ten the stop loss order was right and would have prevented big losses by getting him out at a time when the market was going against him.

Mr. Gann adds:

PLACE A STOP LOSS ORDER AT THE TIME YOU MAKE A TRADE AND DO NOT CANCEL IT.

(Gann, W. D., 45 Years in Wall Street, Lambert-Gann Publishing Co., Pomeroy, WA, 1949, pp. 18-19.)

It should be noted that Mr. Gann advised traders to "place" the stop-loss order, in other words to give the order to their broker. Some traders say that they do not need to do this as they use mental stop-loss orders.

There are two real problems with the use of mental stops. The first is that it leads to a delay in the execution of the order. An order placed with a broker can be executed the moment the market has traded at the nominated price. Even if a trader is aware of a stop price being hit, he or she has to contact the broker before the order can be executed.

The second problem with the use of mental stops is the fact that it gives the trader the opportunity to second-guess his or her trading plan. It is very tempting to rationalize that "my stop may have been hit, but it has been a good trade so I will wait just one more day". Many a trader or investor has waited "just one more day", day after day, until a profit has become a loss.

One of the most effective pieces of advice I give traders who are having trouble with discipline is to tell them to always place a stop-loss order with their broker. The temptation to override it is then out of their hands.

[Fawzi Alhamed]

نقطه مهمه يجب التعامل معها
لا أعتقد بأن طريقة جان ممكن تتطبق على كل الأسواق بنفس الأسلوب
بمعنى الفكره العامه واحده لا تتغير لكن يجب أن يكون في إختلاف بسيط بالتطبيق بين سوق الأسهم و الأوبشن و السلع و الفوركس حاليا حال موجات اليوت فلكل سوق خواص معينه تختلف عن الآخر لكن الأصل ثابت

[Fawzi Alhamed]

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
النص علينا والترجمة عليكم واتمنى ان تجد غايتك
Rule 2 Use stop loss orders. Always protect a trade when you make it with a stop loss order 3 to 5 points away.

Stop loss orders are not 100 per cent guarantees of trading safety just as seat belts are not 100 per cent guarantees that one will not sustain injury in a road accident. This is hardly an argument against stop-loss orders or seat belts, however. The evidence supporting the use of both stop loss orders and seat belts is overwhelming!

Mr. Gann was adamant that stop-loss orders should be an integral part of a traders reason for taking a trade. He left no doubt about his views on this subject by saying:

I feel that I cannot repeat too many times the value of using stop loss orders because it is the only safety valve to protect the investor and trader. An investor or trader will place a stop loss order and one time out of ten the stop will be caught at the exact top or bottom. After this he always remembers this and says, "If I place a stop loss order, they will just go down and catch it, or just go up and catch it and then the market will go the other way." So he does not use the stop loss order the next time. The trader forgets the nine times out of ten the stop loss order was right and would have prevented big losses by getting him out at a time when the market was going against him.

Mr. Gann adds:

PLACE A STOP LOSS ORDER AT THE TIME YOU MAKE A TRADE AND DO NOT CANCEL IT.

(Gann, W. D., 45 Years in Wall Street, Lambert-Gann Publishing Co., Pomeroy, WA, 1949, pp. 18-19.)

It should be noted that Mr. Gann advised traders to "place" the stop-loss order, in other words to give the order to their broker. Some traders say that they do not need to do this as they use mental stop-loss orders.

There are two real problems with the use of mental stops. The first is that it leads to a delay in the execution of the order. An order placed with a broker can be executed the moment the market has traded at the nominated price. Even if a trader is aware of a stop price being hit, he or she has to contact the broker before the order can be executed.

The second problem with the use of mental stops is the fact that it gives the trader the opportunity to second-guess his or her trading plan. It is very tempting to rationalize that "my stop may have been hit, but it has been a good trade so I will wait just one more day". Many a trader or investor has waited "just one more day", day after day, until a profit has become a loss.

One of the most effective pieces of advice I give traders who are having trouble with discipline is to tell them to always place a stop-loss order with their broker. The temptation to override it is then out of their hands.

شكرا على المعلومه

[brain2jene]

هههههههههه
ساجيبك
اقصى ستوب كان 3 نقاط
____________________________
اذا كانت هذه هي القمه (1.4443) فتحليلك لم يفشل
ف 10 نقاط الى 20 نقطه لا تفرق ابدا بالنسبه لصفقه سوينجيه
و بالتوفيق

بالضبط اخي الكريم لم يفشل الى الان, وانا اتبع نفس التحليل والانعكاس الاسبوع القادم باذن الله.
حسب تحليلي ان لا يمكن تحديد الوقت والسعر بكل دقة كما فعل اخينا , لكن يمكن ان تعلم وقت الانعكاس بيوم او اثنين وهكذا بناء على معادلات تحسب لك التواريخ المهمة والتي من الممكن ان يعكس السوق اتجاهه Potential dates اي تبحث عن اي اشارة انعكاسية في تلك الايام وتتاكد منها.

[crownpearl77]

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
النص علينا والترجمة عليكم واتمنى ان تجد غايتك
Rule 2 Use stop loss orders. Always protect a trade when you make it with a stop loss order 3 to 5 points away.

Stop loss orders are not 100 per cent guarantees of trading safety just as seat belts are not 100 per cent guarantees that one will not sustain injury in a road accident. This is hardly an argument against stop-loss orders or seat belts, however. The evidence supporting the use of both stop loss orders and seat belts is overwhelming!

Mr. Gann was adamant that stop-loss orders should be an integral part of a traders reason for taking a trade. He left no doubt about his views on this subject by saying:

I feel that I cannot repeat too many times the value of using stop loss orders because it is the only safety valve to protect the investor and trader. An investor or trader will place a stop loss order and one time out of ten the stop will be caught at the exact top or bottom. After this he always remembers this and says, "If I place a stop loss order, they will just go down and catch it, or just go up and catch it and then the market will go the other way." So he does not use the stop loss order the next time. The trader forgets the nine times out of ten the stop loss order was right and would have prevented big losses by getting him out at a time when the market was going against him.

Mr. Gann adds:

PLACE A STOP LOSS ORDER AT THE TIME YOU MAKE A TRADE AND DO NOT CANCEL IT.

(Gann, W. D., 45 Years in Wall Street, Lambert-Gann Publishing Co., Pomeroy, WA, 1949, pp. 18-19.)

It should be noted that Mr. Gann advised traders to "place" the stop-loss order, in other words to give the order to their broker. Some traders say that they do not need to do this as they use mental stop-loss orders.

There are two real problems with the use of mental stops. The first is that it leads to a delay in the execution of the order. An order placed with a broker can be executed the moment the market has traded at the nominated price. Even if a trader is aware of a stop price being hit, he or she has to contact the broker before the order can be executed.

The second problem with the use of mental stops is the fact that it gives the trader the opportunity to second-guess his or her trading plan. It is very tempting to rationalize that "my stop may have been hit, but it has been a good trade so I will wait just one more day". Many a trader or investor has waited "just one more day", day after day, until a profit has become a loss.

One of the most effective pieces of advice I give traders who are having trouble with discipline is to tell them to always place a stop-loss order with their broker. The temptation to override it is then out of their hands.

ملخص هذه المقالة انه كان يؤكد علي استخدام الستوب لوز و يحذر من استخدام الستوب الذهني اي ان المضارب يقول اذاوصل لكذا ساغلق حينها لان المضارب في النهاية لا يغلق
لم يحدد مثلا 1:1 او 1:3 او رقم محدد او طريقة محددة في هذه المقالة
و شكرا لك

[crownpearl77]

شكرا على المعلومه

علي فكرة ما علمته بالحمر في المقالة الانجليزية هو ما يقوله المضارب لنفسه و ليس ما يقوله جان لنا

[Fawzi Alhamed]

علي فكرة ما علمته بالحمر في المقالة الانجليزية هو ما يقوله المضارب لنفسه و ليس ما يقوله جان لنا

هههههههههههههههههه
إذا هي عقليتي الفاشله
مو قلت لك جان راح يجنني و أفهم طرقه لكن الظاهر راح اتجنن قبل لا أفهم شيء من طرقه

[crownpearl77]

بالضبط اخي الكريم لم يفشل الى الان, وانا اتبع نفس التحليل والانعكاس الاسبوع القادم باذن الله.
حسب تحليلي ان لا يمكن تحديد الوقت والسعر بكل دقة كما فعل اخينا , لكن يمكن ان تعلم وقت الانعكاس بيوم او اثنين وهكذا بناء على معادلات تحسب لك التواريخ المهمة والتي من الممكن ان يعكس السوق اتجاهه Potential dates اي تبحث عن اي اشارة انعكاسية في تلك الايام وتتاكد منها.

طيب يا اخي او اختي
طبقا لمعادلاتك اين تضعين الاستوب لوز.... هل تضربين المعادلة في معامل معين للحصول علي مكان الاستوب

[crownpearl77]

هههههههههههههههههه
إذا هي عقليتي الفاشله
مو قلت لك جان راح يجنني و أفهم طرقه لكن الظاهر راح اتجنن قبل لا أفهم شيء من طرقه

سلامة عقلك يا غالي

[crownpearl77]

هههههههههه
ساجيبك
اقصى ستوب كان 3 نقاط
____________________________
اذا كانت هذه هي القمه (1.4443) فتحليلك لم يفشل
ف 10 نقاط الى 20 نقطه لا تفرق ابدا بالنسبه لصفقه سوينجيه
و بالتوفيق

ههههههههه
3 نقاط فقط بس لحسن حد يدخل يقولك تحليلك مضطرب ههههه
لكن بجد لو تعرف كان بيضع الاستوب فين قولي